{"id":5926,"date":"2015-06-01T07:05:46","date_gmt":"2015-06-01T14:05:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.paladinregistry.com\/?p=5926"},"modified":"2024-04-09T06:44:45","modified_gmt":"2024-04-09T10:44:45","slug":"how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up\/","title":{"rendered":"How Investment Advisor Fees Add Up"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>In the pursuit of an investment advisor or investment manager one of the most important (and unfortunately complicated) pieces of information to obtain is their complete fee structure. As many see future investment returns more muted the level of total fees will become more important. After all, in a well-diversified balanced portfolio in the past century an 8% gross return was not unreasonable. Going forward a 5-6% gross return seems more likely. This being the case, a 2% total fee on an 8% gross return might be palatable (fee represents ~25% of gross return), but the 2% total fee on a 5% return is not (fee is 40% of return).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Before we get into the fee discussion it is also <strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/advisors\/financial-advisor-compensation-impact-infographic\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">important to distinguish between the two types of investment advisors; as their fees, incentives, and duties to the client can differ significantly.<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Fee-only (independent) advisors make no compensation from fund or other investment companies with their only compensation coming via a flat fee charged to the client.<\/li><li>Other advisors (brokers or wire-house advisors) can make money in many ways (management fees, compensation from fund\/investment companies, commissions, etc.).<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are all the investment advisor management fees you need to understand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_68_1 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<p class=\"ez-toc-title\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<label for=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-69ea86080264c\" class=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-label\"><span class=\"\"><span class=\"eztoc-hide\" style=\"display:none;\">Toggle<\/span><span class=\"ez-toc-icon-toggle-span\"><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" class=\"list-377408\" width=\"20px\" height=\"20px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" fill=\"none\"><path d=\"M6 6H4v2h2V6zm14 0H8v2h12V6zM4 11h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2zM4 16h2v2H4v-2zm16 0H8v2h12v-2z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg style=\"fill: #999;color:#999\" class=\"arrow-unsorted-368013\" xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" width=\"10px\" height=\"10px\" viewBox=\"0 0 24 24\" version=\"1.2\" baseProfile=\"tiny\"><path d=\"M18.2 9.3l-6.2-6.3-6.2 6.3c-.2.2-.3.4-.3.7s.1.5.3.7c.2.2.4.3.7.3h11c.3 0 .5-.1.7-.3.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7zM5.8 14.7l6.2 6.3 6.2-6.3c.2-.2.3-.5.3-.7s-.1-.5-.3-.7c-.2-.2-.4-.3-.7-.3h-11c-.3 0-.5.1-.7.3-.2.2-.3.5-.3.7s.1.5.3.7z\"\/><\/svg><\/span><\/span><\/label><input type=\"checkbox\"  id=\"ez-toc-cssicon-toggle-item-69ea86080264c\"  aria-label=\"Toggle\" \/><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up\/#Advisor_%E2%80%98Investment_Management_Fee_Flat-Fee\" title=\"Advisor \u2018Investment Management\u2019 Fee (Flat-Fee)\">Advisor \u2018Investment Management\u2019 Fee (Flat-Fee)<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up\/#%E2%80%98Underlying_Mutual_FundInvestment_Product_Fee\" title=\"\u2018Underlying Mutual Fund\/Investment Product\u2019 Fee:\">\u2018Underlying Mutual Fund\/Investment Product\u2019 Fee:<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up\/#Commissions\" title=\"Commissions:\">Commissions:<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up\/#Mutual_Fund_%E2%80%98Load_Fees\" title=\"Mutual Fund \u2018Load\u2019 Fees:\">Mutual Fund \u2018Load\u2019 Fees:<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-5\" href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/how-investment-advisor-fees-add-up\/#In_summary\" title=\"In summary\">In summary<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Advisor_%E2%80%98Investment_Management_Fee_Flat-Fee\"><\/span><strong>Advisor \u2018Investment Management\u2019 Fee (Flat-Fee)<\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the most straight-forward fee charged by most investment advisors. This is charged by all \u2018fee-only\u2019 advisors and some brokers. This type of investment management charge makes logical\/ethical sense for the following reasons:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Straight-forward and transparent; usually quoted as an annual flat percentage fee based on <strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">assets under management (AUM)<\/span><\/span><\/strong> and charged quarterly.<\/li><li>Aligns the interest of the client and the advisor; if value of portfolio decreases advisor earns less in fees and vice versa<\/li><li>Eliminates all potential conflicts of interests; advisor is paid no compensation by outside interests (commissions, funds, investment products, etc.)<\/li><li>The larger the value of assets under management the less the yearly percentage fee will be; typical yearly percentage charges will run from 1.5% to 0.5%.<\/li><\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%E2%80%98Underlying_Mutual_FundInvestment_Product_Fee\"><\/span><strong>\u2018Underlying Mutual Fund\/Investment Product\u2019 Fee: <\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>This is the fee that the underlying mutual funds, ETFs, annuities, and products <em>within<\/em> a portfolio charge for their specific management. These fees are not easily found and the investor never sees these explicitly come out of their account;<strong><em> but make no mistake they are there and very meaningful! <\/em><\/strong>The fees are reflected in the prices of the investment securities themselves. For example, if you invest in both an \u2018actively managed\u2019 US stock mutual fund that charges a 1% yearly fee and a passive index US stock mutual fund that only charges 0.1%, assuming their investments performed the same the actual performance to the client will be very different. In this case if the stock market was up 10%, the active fund would show a 9.0% return, and the index fund would show a 9.9% return. This simple fact is why <strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.paladinregistry.com\/blog\/investing\/active-investing-passive-investing-5-key-differences\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" aria-label=\" (opens in a new tab)\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">more and more advisors are moving towards a core of low cost passive investments<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/strong>. A typical portfolio \u2018underlying investment\u2019 fee would be between 0.2% (all index funds) and upwards of 1.5% in an \u2018active\u2019 portfolio.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Commissions\"><\/span><strong>Commissions: <\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>These are the investment advisor fees charged by a broker to buy\/sell stocks, bonds and some ETFs\/ mutual funds. Normally, especially for larger clients, this can be one of the smaller components of the total portfolio fee. Typical commission charges will range from $7 to $15 per transaction. On a $1M portfolio assuming in a year there are ~ 30 fee transactions, total commissions could be in the $200-$450 range. In this example the percentage of the portfolio consumed by commission fees would only be 0.02%-0.04%. It is important to note however the smaller your portfolio the more important these fees become.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Mutual_Fund_%E2%80%98Load_Fees\"><\/span><strong>Mutual Fund \u2018Load\u2019 Fees: <\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>These are investment advisor fees which only certain types of advisors charge\/receive. \u2018Loads\u2019 are charged by certain types of mutual funds and brokers and can be very meaningful. Loads can range anywhere from 1-5%. Some loads are charged up front (if you invest $10,000, only $9,500 would actually get into the investment) as $500 would be the immediate load charge. Other loads are back-end, where if you keep your investment in the fund for a period of 1-5 years the load is \u2018waived\u2019. This arrangement does have a cost however, as it severely limits the liquidity of your money. Since these fees also open up the possibility for conflicts of interests with the investment advisor, in most cases it makes sense for clients to avoid advisors who utilize these funds.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"In_summary\"><\/span><strong><em>In summary<\/em><\/strong><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>All the above fees can reduce the \u2018real\u2019 total return of a portfolio for an investor. Being that investment fees are nearly 100% predictable,<strong><em> reducing costs is the easiest way to improve future investment performance.<\/em><\/strong> Generally if an investor avoids advisors who deal in \u2018load funds\u2019, are not compensated from commissions, and keeps higher cost \u2018active\u2019 mutual funds to a minimum are already ahead of the game. <strong>A quality independent advisor managing a $1M portfolio who utilizes mostly index funds\/ETFs should have a management fee of 1% or less, an underlying investment expense of 0.4% or less, and minimal commission charges.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Therefore If your current investment expense is greater than 1.5% or so (in all) or you are holding \u2018load\u2019 funds, I would start questioning your investment advisor or look for a second opinion.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the pursuit of an investment advisor or investment manager one of the most important (and unfortunately complicated) pieces of information to obtain is their complete fee structure. 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